Weapons Policy
N00b
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Obviously, since this is happening at a university campus, there is a fairly strict "no weapons allowed" policy except for, maybe, the masquerade, but how about BlueGuns? These are the blue, practice guns that military and law enforcement use for training. My costuming pretty much requires some form of weapon to make it complete and I'm hoping the BlueGuns might pass muster for the school to allow.
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David Morris
Unfortunately, the Gonzaga policy is not quite as specific enough to suit me. It states no props can be used that fire projectiles (a blue gun does not) but also no prop can be used that looks like a real firearm. A blue gun does, sort of, and in a way it does not. I will seek some clarification on that point. Can you tell me what specific type of gun your blue guns would simulate? (ie. automatic pistol, AR-15, etc...)
Knight In White Satin
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David, thanks for your quick response. My costuming would carry an MP5 Assault Rifle and a Taurus 27/7 semi-auto handgun. Both can be found with photos here: Blue Gun Training Replicas. But, realistically, there's no way anyone could mistake these for real guns, honestly.
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Scott Spicer
I don't see a problem with it except it looks real, being an exact replica. Except for the color. The real test will be if Gonzaga Security has a problem with it.
Knight In White Satin
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Yes, the design is real, and so is the weight, but the bright blue color is a pretty good indicator that it's fake. I suppose Gonzaga COULD say that because it's a copy of the gun, it looks too real, but that, in my opinion, would be nit-picky. If they wanted to discuss REAL looking, I could show them my Air-Soft MP5 or M4. I'll respect their decision no matter what, but I will feel kind of foolish walking around as a Colonial Marine without some kind of weapon. lol
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Tim Martin
When we were not allowed to have Nerf guns on campus for a game... well... that tells you about the level of over-protection there is ...
I am sure that we can come up with a compromise with campus security and work within our own guidelines. The "peace" boding could be that the replica pistol could be zip tied into the holster. I still find the concept of a zip-tie on a weapon to render it "useless" rather silly - but it's a visible indicator that the weapon will not be used as such.
I know that any weapon is just part of costume to make it more complete. The big concern is the non-members roaming about.
There is a solution, and we'll get it taken care of as quickly as possible.
Your input is appreciated!
David Morris
I will try to have a reply by Tuesday next week...
David Morris
I was out of town for two days, so I apologize for the delay. I have spoken with Mr.Vansant of the GU security department. He has always been very easy to work with and this is no exception. He said he will consider the suggestion, but he stated right away that he does not want to take any steps toward guns that look real. He asked that we provide him with a photo of the actual blue gun or guns that Knight in White Satin wishes to bring.
So, Knight, what do you say? Will you please e-mail a photo of the actual blue gun or guns to me? I can forward them to GU. From there, Mr. Vansant will take them to a safety committee for the final decision. My email address is davem@spocon.org.
Mr. Vansant and his supervisor, Mr. Hart, have always expressed appreciation for our professionalism and cooperation, so I think they will give us a fair shake! That is the best we can do--it is their campus after all!
Knight in White Satin, I appreciate the reasonable and hopeful stance you have taken on your request. Believe me, I want you to have a con experience that is as fun as it can possibly be!
David Morris
Knight In White Satin
N00b
David,
Just thought I'd drop a line to see what might be happening. I sent those photos to you several days ago, but hadn't heard back from you. The point MAY be moot because of personal finances anyway, but I'd still like the option if possible.
Thanks again for your assistance and persistence.
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David Morris
Sorry for not replying, Knight! I got the photos. Now we are waiting to hear back from GU. With the holidays and people going out of town, and the way committees work, we may be waiting for a few more weeks to hear back. Please don't think you are forgotten...
By the way...Merry Christmas!
jackmcgillis
N00b
An odd thought perhaps...
When I was in basic training in the 70's I was issued a Blue M16. And yes, it fired. Almost all were Black, 3 or 4 were Green and I got *the* Blue one. I still wonder what environment that weapon was intended for.
True story.
On a more serious note. Back in the 90's some firearm manufacturers chose to make functional pistols that were colored. Bright Green comes to mind. I think, grain of salt, that the TEC-9 came that way.
A slippery slope?
Note: I am not anti-gun. Own several, some of which are illegal in states that I don't live in.
Tim Martin
I have a pink rifle in my house
Okay, it's actually my daughter's Mossberg 802 Plinkster, and it is very pink. I have also seen a pink cammo P-22, several "pink hello kitty" AR-15, AK's, and other assault rifles. A friend is building his wife a purple cammo AR-15... so colors abound!
The issue isn't color, it's realism, and not wanting people freaking out. I have more than one costume with holsters, that I typically have to leave empty as most policies prevent firearms or replicas (but it's still okay for an untrained 18yo kid to run around with a sharp sword .... o_O).
We are continuing to work on the policy and negotiating with GU. It will all work out.
Nick
N00b
Any chance of Nerf guns being okay'd for the Firefly LARP?
jackmcgillis
N00b
Any chance of Nerf guns being okay'd for the Firefly LARP?
Will you have Nerf handcuffs for prisoners? Sorry. Had to.
Tim Martin
Last word we had from GU was, sadly, no NERF® guns.
We would like to address the issue again, in relation to the Firefly LARP. The use of the NERF® guns will be contained into a smallish area and monitored. Since it's part of the game, we are pitching for it!
jackmcgillis
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Have you thought about having events like this offsite? Riverfront park is close.